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Connoisseurship and its Consequences: An Interview with Mark Resnick

Mark Resnick, executive vice-president, business affairs for Twentieth Century Fox, and his wife, Maura, have assembled one of the foremost private collections of American posters spanning the 1890s to present. Seventy-five selections from the Resnick collection comprised the recent exhibition at Rochester Institute of Technology entitled, “The American Image: U.S. Posters from the 19th to the 21st Century.” Resnick co-authored the exhibition’s companion book with Professor R. Roger Remington and has edited The Critical Vision: A History of Social and Political Art in the United States. In this interview, Resnick talks about connoisseurship and its consequences.

Steve Heller: You are an executive at Twentieth Century Fox. What made you become a collector of American posters?


Mark Resnick
: Actually, there’s more of a connection between my day job and my poster collecting than one might think. Both involve a mixture I’ve been fascinated by for a long time—art, commerce and popular culture. Beyond that, my poster collecting is a logical extension of certain life-long passions. A passion for collecting itself—as a kid, I collected lots of things and definitely squirreled away some posters. A passion for looking at and making art—I used to be a pretty good painter and draughtsman. And a passion for writing—as combinations of image and text, posters have always matched my interests perfectly. When I went off to college at Yale, I started as a pre-med (influenced by my physician father) but ultimately majored in history of art. I became particularly interested in art’s role in popular culture, and in art that is as significant politically, socially, and culturally as it is aesthetically. During law school, I still couldn’t shake the art history “bug” and edited and contributed to a book on the history of U.S. social and political art. All of this led naturally, I think, to my focus these past 15 years on American posters and other graphic design. By the way, when I talk about “me” in this interview, I often also mean my wife, Maura, who is a wonderful partner in the collection.

Heller: It seems that lawyers are always collecting something (usually art, but also artifacts) as an “investment.” Despite the scholarly attributes of your recent exhibition and catalog (a collaboration with design historian R. Roger Remington), is this basically an “investment?


Resnick
: Well, if I were this passionate about my investments, I might be a lot better off financially! I collect posters for the love of it. Not a day goes by without my trying to expand my knowledge—for its own sake—of graphic design. That isn’t to say I’m not rather businesslike about my collecting. I have to be, in order to build and manage what is now getting to be an archive. If there’s a “recipe” here, I think it’s to combine a sharp eye, deep knowledge of the material, and solid business skills. So that’s the formula I try hard to follow.

Heller: Where do you rate yourself as a collector/connoisseur next to Merrill Berman, the Sacklers or Mitchell Wolfson? Is there a friendly competition here? Or have you charted your own territory?


Resnick
: It’s nice to be mentioned in the same sentence as those collectors, but the truth is I can only aspire to their level. Collectors inspire collectors and, in my field, Merrill Berman and Mitchell Wolfson are basically the muses. As to “territory” and “connoisseurship,” I do think it’s fair to say that each of us has a somewhat different focus and expertise. In my case, I collect only American posters but, within that, I collect very broadly—from the 1890s to the present and including just about every kind of poster you can think of. (I’m likely the only private collector who systematically collects, preserves and documents such posters as a unit.) By the same token, Merrill Berman and Mitchell Wolfson collect internationally and tend to focus on particular segments of the 20th century, segments that correspond to Berman’s emphasis on the avant garde and Wolfson’s on propaganda.

Heller: Do you have restrictions? In other words, are there items you won’t collect and why? Conversely, what are your standards for collecting?


Resnick
: The collection’s breadth means there are few restrictions. I do avoid purchasing even great posters, however, if they’re excessively priced. And I’m more cautious still when it comes to “good-but-not-great” posters, posters in poor condition, or posters in a category already well represented in the collection. I know that if I don’t stay focused (price-wise) on posters in good condition that truly fill a gap, then the goals I’ve set for the collection will never be reached.

Although I collect in the broad range I just mentioned—in an attempt to assemble an archive covering the history of American poster making—I also strive for museum quality. I look for the best examples of certain styles, content categories and designers, as well as for exceptional works created anonymously, as was often the case (and still is) with posters. I look for posters that most reflect the country’s social, political, and cultural history. If a poster otherwise meets my criteria, I will occasionally compromise on aesthetics.

Heller: Are there larger goals?


Resnick
: I very much want to share the collection with the public. Hence the recent exhibition of part of the collection at Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT), and the accompanying book. The RIT project was a joy, especially as there have been almost no such surveys of the American poster. (The exhibition and book were entitled, The American Image: U.S. Posters from the 19th to the 21st Century.) I also want to do what I can to reverse the second-class treatment posters have received in the world of fine art. Finally, as American posters are often less celebrated than, say, European posters, I want viewers to reconsider that tendency. The book, which Roger and I believe is the first “compact history” of the American poster, is one more step in that direction. But don’t get me started on these last two topics—I could go on for far too many column inches with my theories on why posters, especially American, have been under-recognized!

Heller: Do you advocate for any particular artists who are not in the so-called canon? Or do you stick to the works that have already been deemed historically significant?


Resnick
: Helping to bring high-quality-yet-little-known (or even unknown) designers and posters to the fore is one of the collection’s primary goals. In the RIT exhibition, for example, about one-quarter to one-third of the designers or posters filled that bill. Around each corner of the show was a war, WPA, show, travel or political poster that had never before been exhibited created by such unsung designers as Jay Johnson, Jim Michaelson, James Minter, Robert Muchley, Hernando Villa, Dorothy Waugh and William Welsh. That’s very gratifying, and probably impossible to achieve in an exhibition of, say, paintings of comparable quality from the same time period.

Heller: What would you define as the most “important” or even “sublime” work in your collection?


Resnick
: I could truthfully say it’s impossible to identify a poster or posters as the collection’s “best.” But that would be cliché and boring! So I’ll take a flyer and say that, as a group, Lester Beall’s 18 posters for the Rural Electrification Administration are about as good as it gets in American posters. They were produced, as three series of six posters each, between 1937 and 1941. The first series alone would qualify as sublime in its translation of the European avant-garde into a distinctly American, precise modernism. But Beall didn’t stop there, if anything, outdoing himself in the second and third series.

Heller: As a movie mogul, do you include film posters in your collection?

Resnick: Only a few—they remind me of work, and collecting is supposed to be a diversion from my demanding job! Also, great movie posters these days are rare for lots of business reasons that I suspect we could spend much of an interview discussing. Having said that, there are certainly masterful vintage movie posters from those exemplifying American stone lithography to, say, those by Saul Bass and a few of his contemporaries. Such posters are not to be resisted ... and I don’t.

Heller: Once a collection is exhibited it often becomes entombed, or worse, sold off. What are your plans for the Resnick collection?

Resnick
: I have never thought of “ending” the collection with this exhibition and book. If anything, my focus has been sharpened, and my desire to continue to improve the collection intensified. Also, by collector standards, I’m still young with plenty of time to keep going. So in that sense it’s premature to talk about ultimate plans for the collection. I will say, however, that Maura and I intend for there to be other exhibitions and publications. After all, this show tapped only a fraction of the collection.

Figures

1. Lester Beall, "Here it Comes," 1939.
2. Clayton Kenney, "Civil Air Patrol," 1943
3. April Greiman, "Does it Make Sense?" 1986.
4. Mear One, "Let's Play Armageddon," 2004.
5. Edward Penfield, "Orient Cycles," ca. 1895.
6. Designer Unknown, "Talk is Cheap," ca. 1968.
7. Hernando G. Villa, "The Chief...is Still Chief," 1931

About the Author: Steven Heller, co-chair of MFA "Designer As Author" at School of Visual Arts, is the author of Merz to Emigre and Beyond: Avant Garde Magazine Design of the Twentieth Century (Phaidon Press), The Education of a Comics Artist co-edited with Michael Dooley (Allworth Press), The Education of a Graphic Designer, Second Edition and The Education of an Art Director (with Veronique Vienne) (Allworth Press), and Stylepedia with Louise Fili (Chronicle Books). http://www.hellerbooks.com/

  1. link to this comment by Joe Moran Tue Nov 07, 2006

    Resnick should start collecting those movie posters, or at least help temper the actors' egos, i.e. -- sometimes the actors face doesn't need to be so prominent (or the only thing on the poster besides the headline/title).

    Very Respectfully,

  2. link to this comment by Hyla Willis Wed Nov 08, 2006

    Interesting interview! Any possibility of posting credits & dates for the samples?

  3. link to this comment by Elizabeth Danzico Thu Nov 09, 2006

    Good suggestion Hyla. I added the credits and dates. Thanks!

  4. link to this comment by mark resnick Thu Nov 09, 2006

    joe moran's comment about the actor's face dominating most movie posters, and impairing the graphics, is exactly right...and is one of the reasons i collect few movie posters. saul bass, of course, is one of the notable exceptions. (check out his "anatomy of a murder" poster that was part of the exhibit/book. despite the fact that the movie features the era's biggest stars, bass's brilliant poster shows NO actor's face and de-emphasizes the actors' credits.). as to why the movie poster has, overly generally speaking, declined in quality: well, there are a bunch of reasons, but in my experience three big ones are that star salaries have become so lopsided that studios feel they can't pay that kind of money and not get the most promotional bang for buck, the representatives of even those stars who are not well known have become ever more demanding about mandating the use of their faces and names in advertising, and the actors union has likewise become uber-aggressive in this area. nor is this confined to actors, as the trend has grown among directors, producers, and writers as well. i realize these comments may sound like the rant of a "studio guy," but they are based on more than 20 years of experience in movie dealmaking. besides, my comments are essentially based on my love of great posters, not on any notion that the talented people involved with a movie shouldn't receive credit. nor should any current designers of movie posters take offense. as i note, my comments are really general and there are numerous, excellent examples among today's movie posters.

  5. link to this comment by tom jessor Thu Nov 09, 2006

    Mark, interesting points about movie posters. I want to get a copy of the book that accompanied the exhibition. What's the link?

  6. link to this comment by mark resnick Thu Nov 09, 2006

    the book may be obtained through rit's cary graphic arts press (a really good press, by the way). the link is
    http://wally.rit.edu/cary/CP_publications/CP_AmericanImg.html

    thanks!

  7. link to this comment by michael Thu Nov 09, 2006

    i find it disheartening that the entertainment industry: film and music, have both turned a blind eye to design. i understand your points mark and i find them to be helpful so thanks for enlightening.

    i have also noticed though how many consumers (ie: the general public without design experience) realize how bad things have gotten and so often say 'why didn't they hire a decent graphic designer.' credibility to career +1.

    not all of the work is bad, some is good, but the majority of it is disposable. i was thinking about this earlier this week... i think that a movie poster holds so much nostalgia that the poster doesn't necessarily have to be visually dynamic. i don't think i can explain it properly but for some reason you can almost overlook how bad the poster might be because you bring so many personal emotions and attachments to the film in its entirety.

    music packaging however for me is just the opposite. the packaging should sell the experience and work with it, however music packaging seems to have hit an all-time low for me. now major artists are putting out visuals that are abysmal at best. check out gwen stefani's new cd, ugh. awful. can i come up with a description worse than awful... no.

    it's all just a bit sad because i personally moved to the west coast in hopes of getting in with a studio or a label and doing good work. my experience was that after knocking on every door i was only able to get into one film production company and they told me that my work was too fine arts and i had no place in entertainment. if anything, the entertainment industry needs more people who are passionate and convicted, though i assume the star will always get their way. sad.

    nice collection mark, thanks for sharing!

  8. link to this comment by Craig Schlanser Fri Nov 10, 2006

    Today's movie posters might stink, but at least we have a lot of great book covers (esp. Penguin). Maybe the Penguin team could re-brand United Artist for Tom Cruise--just kidding (maybe).

  9. link to this comment by estelle Fri Nov 10, 2006

    the catalog for the resnick exhibit is awesome. scholarly, well-written books on american posters are few and far between. should be reuired reading for design and art history classes on the history of design.

  10. link to this comment by Bret Carpenter Sun Nov 12, 2006

    i appreciate the idea of gleaning from history; how can we know where we are going unless we have known where we have been.

  11. link to this comment by Joe Moran Sun Nov 12, 2006

    Mr. Resnick,

    Thanks for the insight.

    I meant no offense either. Just an observation and hope for the future.

    I love posters (and movies), too.

    VR/

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